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Hello everybody ! New on the forum and about to buy my first boat, I am currently investigating the market of bilge keel boats. Not to start a debate about bilge keel versus others, I could find plenty of informations about the Mirage 28, but very little about her sister the Cobra 850. Therefore, if anybody has first hand information about this old boat, building qualities, sailing performance and so on, I'd be very thanksfull. Any informations, books, review, magazine, etc is welcome 'cause I really couldn't find much on internet. Thanks everybody ! Aleksi  

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There was a series of articles about the cobra 850 in PBO,some chap lived aboard with partner seemed a handy boat.The Design who believe was the late David Feltham was very good at bilge keelers  

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SailorAleksi said: Hello everybody ! New on the forum and about to buy my first boat, I am currently investigating the market of bilge keel boats. Not to start a debate about bilge keel versus others, I could find plenty of informations about the Mirage 28, but very little about her sister the Cobra 850. Therefore, if anybody has first hand information about this old boat, building qualities, sailing performance and so on, I'd be very thanksfull. Any informations, books, review, magazine, etc is welcome 'cause I really couldn't find much on internet. Thanks everybody ! Aleksi Click to expand...

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David Feltham was a prolific designer. His work includes a range of Cobras and Seawolfs, Mirages, Snapdragon and a Prout catamaran. You won't go far wrong with one of his designs although many are now quite old and condition will depend on how they have been treated. A large number of Cobra 850s were built. I believe a lot went to the Mediterranean charter fleets. As such, they were competent cruising boats and, as has been mentioned, David Feltham was particularly good at designing bilge keelers. They won't excel at racing around the cans but will provide reasonable performance and a solid build. We have had several in our club over the years. I have owned a Seawolf 26 for around 20 years which gives you some idea of what I think of his designs.  

Thanks a lot for your answers everybody. Those are pretty much the infos I gathered about David Feltham designs. Solid, seaworthy boats, and reasonable performance at sail when it comes to the bilge keel. I'm planning a visit soon. Do you happened to know about some details I should pay special attention to ? If anybody has some articles from PBO mentionned earlier, that would be great !  

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We had a bilge keel Cobra 850 some years ago, we thought that it was a bit of a slug to sail. A lot of them were home fitted out with varying degrees of ability They are now 35 years or so old so will be very long in the tooth as maybe sails and engines. Ours was fitted with a yanmar YSE 12 which was pretty agricultural and unreliable. On the plus side it was very roomy for it's size and several years of cruising for our family of four and sometimes 5 taking us from our North Wales base to the Isle of Man and Ireland. The twin keels were great for drying out on a beach or mooring. The Yanmar got replaced after a couple of years with a volvo 2020 which whilst a bit overpowered gave us a lot more confidence for getting back in time to get over the marina sill. We did shell out for new sails as well in the hope of a better performance but they didn't make much difference.  

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The mirage 28 kelley is a 27.5ft masthead sloop designed by bruce kelley and built in fiberglass by mirage mfg. (usa) since 1980..

The Mirage 28 kelley is a moderate weight sailboat which is a reasonably good performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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I would appreciate insight on a Mirage 30 (29?). I don’t know the year, but I think mid-to-late eighties. I haven’t looked closely at the boat, but it belongs to my dock-neighbour and it seemed as though he was meticulous about its upkeep. I currently have a Nash 26 – 1979. We like the boat very much: it is roomy enough for the two of us for extended cruising. I am just not very confident in its suitability for handling some of the conditions into which I sail (or get caught sailing). I sail on Georgian Bay and am frequently out in winds above 25 kn. I have been out in winds above that, although usually that is the gust speed. I frequently single-hand out to Hope Island and beyond, where I have encountered 2 – 3 metre waves (being a lake these are short, steep waves, not long, rolling ocean waves). I want a boat that is more durable and designed more for those conditions than the Nash. I think that a heavier boat would make a big difference. The Nash weighs in at just over 5,000 lbs. I sailed a 32’ Oday last summer and could really feel the difference in the weight. The Mirage weighs in at about 7,000 lbs. I have considered a Catalina 30 or a CS 30 as well as these weigh in at 10,000 and 8,000 lbs. I think that the standing rigging is heavier gauge on these boats as well. This is another thing I am concerned about. The Nash is a good cruising boat, but I don’t feel that it is robust enough. Another main consideration is the berthing. I think that most of the boats in the 30 – 32’ have comparable V-berths (i.e. barely adequate for 2 adults to sleep). I generally sleep on the settee in the salon while my wife usually has the V-berth to herself. What is your opinion on the quarter-berth arrangement of the Mirage. I have looked at the plans for the boat but have trouble visualizing the set-up. I know I won’t have a problem actually looking aboard the neighbour’s boat to see the reality, I just wondered if anyone has any first-hand experience with sleeping in the quarter-berth. We usually do a two-week cruise on the Bay each year and most weekends are spent on the boat, so comfortable sleeping is important. I spend a lot of time single-handing. I think that the Mirage 30’ should be suitable for this. Any comments? We currently have a shoal-draft (3’6”) on the Nash and love the accessibility that it allows us to some of the smaller anchorages around the Bay. The Mirage has a 4’8” draft. This will somewhat limit our access, but I think might be worth the trade-off for seaworthiness. If you have any other insight into to Mirage, please don’t hesitate to offer it up. We had hoped to spend this summer researching boats in the 30 – 32 foot range that would be suitable for the type of sailing I’ve described. I would appreciate any recommendations that you can make with regards to other boats that might suit us. Ideally our budget is up to about $40,000.00 CDN. I have seen many boats in the size range we are looking at priced quite a bit lower. Any advice will be much appreciated. Dave  

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Problem here is that Mirage made a 30 (Robert Perry) and a 29 (euro/French design) so the first chore is to determine which one you're looking at.  

The seller is calling it a Mirage 30, so let's assume it's the Perry design for now. I'll confirm this with him. What does that do to the recommendations or lack thereof? Thanks  

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Check the menu on the left: Used Sailboats in central Canada Also, the Mirage 30/32 is the same boat except the 32 has a reverse transom.  

Mirage 29 owner chiming in... Can't comment on the Mirage 30 but I have owned a Mirage 29 for 5 years and can attest to the quality of the workmanship from the Mirage yard compared to many other boats of the same era. I previously owned a C&C 29 MkII that I sailed on Lake Ontario and the Mirage is built much better. Boat is 24 years old and not one crack in the gelcoat, even around the stanchions. Was not the case with the C&C which developed leaks around the glued side windows. The Mirage 29 is well behaved and does not tend to become overpowered as easily as similar 30'- boats. Actually, C&C 29 was really tender compared to the Mirage. Interior is comparable to the modern boats with a very decent aft cabin and galley arrangement. The only time you notice any issue is when you move forward as the coach roof drops quickly forward of the mast so you have to duck while approaching the v-berth. Ideal boat for a couple. Looking forward to many more years cruising this boat as I can't find anything newer that would offer much more (except for major loan payments):laugher . Cheers, Moxie Skipper  

Mirage 29 I have a beautiful Mirage 29 in Lion's Head harbour that has been rigged out to sail south but has never gone. It is exceptionally well built with all of the best parts including a Volvo diesel. Mine is a 1987 model - the French design with aft cabin. The one drawback is head height. If you are over 6 feet tall this is not the boat for you. I am over 6 feet and am looking at selling the boat for that reason only. It is fast, solid and reliable - therefore more expensive than others in that size range but still considerably well below your $40,000 goal.  

You will find a huge difference in performance. A friend had a Nash 26 and I found it to be a very slow boat.  

Flying Welshman-Mirage Having sailed a Nash 26 for a few years, you might find a Mirage 29/30 a little too spirited for your liking. To answer your question: Mirage 30, Robert Perry design, 8000 lbs, 10.5 feet beam, 23.75 feet on waterline. As boat heals, picks up more waterline length. 15hp Yanmar diesel, later models 18hp Volvo. They have Whitlock wheel draglink steering with good feel almost like steering with a tiller (yuck!) Boat loves to heal, stiffens up when rail a foot from water. Will do 6.7 knots on a close reach, and is fastest just ahead of beam reach. T Cockpit very roomy , seats six comfortably for socializing at the dock. Mirage 29, French design, shorter mast, smaller rig, but still quite quick. Less tender than 30. V berth smaller than 30, but aft cabin a little larger. Volvo 18hp diesel. Cockpit smaller on 29, with bench seats. You must crawl over cockpit seats to get ahead of the wheel. Gelcoat and glass generally good on Mirage yachts. I saw a Mirage 30 with a full enclosure on Georgian Bay this summer. It looked quite roomy. Hope this helps.  

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  • Manufacturer: Mirage
  • Location: Gillingham
  • LOA: 28'4" (8.64m)
  • Beam: 9' 3'' (2.82m)
  • Draft: 1.37
  • Keel: Fin Keel
  • ID no.: 38319
  • Watertank Size: 30 Litres
  • Engine Make: Yanmar
  • Horsepower: 16hp
  • Drive Type: Shaft drive
  • Fuel Type: Diesel
  • Fuel Tank Size: 25 Litres

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1977 Mirage 28 The  Mirage 28  was an extremely popular fin keel family cruiser from the 1970s. The design of the interior utilises the available space very well. The boat benefits from 5’10” headroom in the saloon. The cockpit offers good protection, and the boat can be easily sailed short handed. A very well presented and well-equipped example of the  Mirage 28.  A 2013 survey report is available on request.

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The  Mirage 28  offers 5 berths in 2 cabins. Fore cabin with double vee berth and stowage. Two single berths in the main saloon, a folding saloon table with seating for 4-5 people. Full width heads compartment with marine toilet (new) holding tank fitted but never used, wash basin and storage areas. Hot & cold-water system, water heated via a gas boiler.  Galley aft to starboard equipped with a gimballed gas cooker with 2-burners, oven, and grill (2009), sink, and stowage areas. 12v fridge, cutlery, crockery included. Quarter berth aft to port.

Mechanical and Rigging

Aluminium mast, Boom and Spinnaker pole. Slab main reefing and roller reefing foresail. Stainless steel rigging (1997) with quick release forestay. Roller reefing renewed 2006. Mast has Tabernacle lowering arrangement. 2 x Knowsely sheet winches, 2 x Simpson Lawrence Spinnaker winches.

Stacking system by Kemp. Sail area, 40.47 sq.m

  • 1 x Mainsail (Kemp 2004 excellent condition)
  • 1 x Genoa (Kemp 2004 excellent condition)

Maintained by Kemp on a regular basis

  • 1 x Tri Radial Spinnaker and snuffer
  • 1 x Storm Jib

The  Mirage 28  is powered by a 16 hp Yanmar 2GM (1990), last serviced by the owner 2019 new cylinder head complete, water jacket, thermostat, anodes and complete overhaul Dec 2012. Shaft drive to a 2 bladed fixed propeller in good condition, Rev counter, engine alarms and charging light. Last out of water maintenance 2018.

2 x 12V batteries, each 110AH 2013, charging from the engine alternator and shore power, installed ring main, plus battery charger.

  • 1 x CQR anchor 35lbs
  • Chain – 110ft
  • Windlass – Anchorman, manual
  • Blue sail cover
  • Blue Sprayhood new 2010
  • Named dodgers
  • Swim ladder  –  Removable, stainless steel
  • 4 x mooring warps
  • 4 x fenders
  • Deck lights
  • Cockpit table
  • VHF Radio – DSC
  • NASA Echo sounder
  • Garmin GPS with Log/Speed
  • Clock/Barometer
  • Navigation lights
  • Masthead Tricolour
  • Autohelm ST1000
  • 3 x Fire Extinguishers
  • Fire Blanket
  • Radar reflector
  • First Aid Kit
  • 1 x Lifebuoy
  • 1 x Danbuoy
  • 1 x Manual bilge pump
  • 2 x harnesses

The  Mirage 28  was built by Thames Marine, designed by Walsh/Wakefield. Hull blue, two pack sprayed by Gillingham Marina (2006), still in outstanding condition, white deck and super structure with grey Treadmaster deck. GRP construction, fin keel, with tiller steering and skeg rudder.

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