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I am considering a charter management program to finance a boat. Does anyone have experience with Dream Yacht Charter? Two options seem to be interesting for me: Dream easy: 35% upfront + 25% balloon payment -> here the question is if I get at least a partial owner's title on the boat? (for the case of insolvency) Partnership: 55% upfront -> I suppose this one comes with a 1/1 title. I know this is not the king of investments but 40% value loss over 5 years seems realistic, probably this is the cheapest way to manage ~4weeks/year sailing time.  

Hello, What are your goals for the boat - charter then sell or take over after? I just returned from a charter with DYC - people were great. Boat was a 2014 - in terrible shape. Mechanically sound and rigging was good but surface wise she was beat up and not taken care of. I have made a formal 'complaint ' with DYC and still waiting for their reply.  

KnottyCanadian said: I just returned from a charter with DYC - people were great. Boat was a 2014 - in terrible shape. Mechanically sound and rigging was good but surface wise she was beat up and not taken care of. I have made a formal 'complaint ' with DYC and still waiting for their reply. Click to expand...

I was in the BVIs (3 weeks ago) and I was not the boat owner. A refit for her, based on my standards would be a complete interior renovation of cupboards/appliances/flooring/blinds, wiring and control assessment and replacement, deck refurbishing. Hull was scratched up but acceptable. Nav electronics were useless - kept shutting down. The lines were all different sizes/ material and conditon. I was told to run the generator 6-8 hours a day to keep everything charged and run the A/C - if this was done for the past 3 yrs. then those hours really build up on the 'mechanical' side. So cost could be expensive of for the latter component rebuild or replacement. Charter Company standards for such upkeep will vary I am certain. I have dealt with Horizon Yacht Charters as well and find them good. I am certain that there are others, but I would visit some boat shows and search the net for previous owner assessments of the companies before stepping in. Hope this helps.  

Thanks! Owner assessments - especially helping negative feedback is extremely rare to find. Actually for DYC I found some positive feedback so far. I do not mind e.g. if the sails are worn off after 5 years or the engine needs a standard overhaul do to its hours. But groundings (remember Cheeky Rafiki!), hull/helm/rudder damage of any kind, dead electronics is unacceptable. I'd say I'd accept a "complete blue-water refit" budget of <10% of the boat price (that's pretty much done if you replace the sails, batteries & service the engine). As for Horizon: they offer Bavarias for monohull, no thanks...  

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just heard about a bigger Bavaria that was bought from charter company. owner had the yard do a complete refit and the generator had to be removed for overhaul. the only way out was through the side of the hull. built like a Motorhome.  

overbored said: ... the only way out was through the side of the hull. built like a Motorhome. Click to expand...

I just finished up a charter with DYC - with the caveat that I have only done one charter with them, I would will probably never charter with them again, and would never put a boat into charter with them. We were on a 2015 Bali 4.3 - I was interested in it as a possible BVI charter. The boat was only two years old, but was not in great shape - all the cabinetry hardware was ready to be replaced - hinges completely rusted, faucets badly corroded. We also had a problem with cockroaches on the charter which resulted in them fogging the boat after we returned it. Our electronics had nothing but problems - wifi was almost worthless since we were unable to connect to it much of the time. The main chartplotter at the helm froze on a regular basis and had to be rebooted on a regular basis. The sails looked pretty knackered as well, but I don't have a frame of reference if that would be considered typical. The bottom of the boat was in bad need of cleaning - lots of green slime growing on the bottom. One of our heads blocked completely on the trip necessitating two trips out by the repair team and a complete tear down to fix. Fortunately the head belonged to the skipper that was on board, so we weren't the cause of it. The skipper that was on board was great but did make the comment that after about 2 years in charter the boats are about done - can't imagine what they look like after 5 years. I sent an email outlining my experience to DYC - have to yet to hear back. There are better charter companies out there then DYC - we are on our second charter with BVI Yacht Charters in a 2016 Helia and the difference is night and day - of course it is a newer boat, and is better designed boat, but I'm sure glad that we got the better yacht as our second charter rather than the first!  

Be wary of the tax advantages associated with charter ownership. Most models I've seen show depreciation deductions, which are perfectly legal, but are also critical to make the numbers work. Since the boat will actually depreciate, that portion that represents actual reduction in value is truly a tax advantage. However, tax laws let you keep going, until your tax basis is zero. This means that when you ultimately sell the boat, you will pay taxes on whatever you sell her for. On the maintenance side, you want the best show available. Getting a hunk of junk back at the end just has to be a nightmare. It will, however, have accelerated rental wear and tear. It will never look like it was owner sailed.  

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Is Charter Ownership for Me?

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Ask any seasoned sailor, and they’ll likely tell you their favorite memories are tied to their boat. But boats are also a lot of work, and no one ever has called a private yacht cost-effective. For this reason, many owners choose to put their boat to work by placing it in a charter management program. 

“There’s a huge economical advantage. But there’s a cost as well; a lot of people will be on the boat,” says Bruno Lemieux, who works in yacht sales, operation and development for Dream Yacht Sales.

Boats can be in Dream Yacht’s charter programs for up to 5 1/2 years, and the No. 1 question prospective owners have is: 

What will my boat look like in five years? 

A charter boat works hard, up to 33 weeks a year, in order to pay for all its expenses plus generate revenue for its owner. 

“Yes, it will get some wear and tear for sure” says Yanik Aubé, Dream Yacht’s America and North Caribbean sales director. “But any boat just sitting at the dock gets damaged—by neglect, salt air, or even by just rubbing on the dock… In this case, damages will be fixed by the base, and you don’t have to worry about it. You have a team that’s going to do it. And instead of paying $90,000 to $100,000 a year for insurance, dockage and maintenance, those are paid for you. Plus, you receive 8 percent of your boat purchase price per year in revenue in some of our programs.”

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When the yacht nears the end of its service, Dream Yacht does a phaseout to return it to the owner in good condition.

“About 30 days before the end of the contract, we start building a list of things that need to be repaired. The contract is clear that everything needs to be working. All the equipment on board that was there at the beginning will be there and working, and all the original inventory will be matched. The gelcoat will be done; the bottom paint, if not done within the last 12 months, will be done; sails will be refurbished,” says Lemieux, who was in the owner-care department before sales.

He explains that the contract covers all this and is quite straightforward. What is not covered is normal wear and tear for cosmetic items such as cushions. If any cushions are missing or torn, they will all be replaced per the matching inventory stipulation, but if they are simply worn, they will not be. 

“I’ve been through about 25 phaseouts in the last year, and I have to say, Dream Yacht is doing a very fair phaseout. When the boat stops, they really spend the money and time to make sure the owners are leaving with a well-maintained boat,” Lemieux says. 

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So, is it worth it?

The yearly return of 8 percent of the purchase price that Aubé quoted is Dream Yacht Sales’ guaranteed income program, called Dream Guarantee. It more than covers the depreciation of the boat. After 5 1/2 years in charter, about 45 percent of the purchase price has been paid back to the owner. Dream Yacht also offers a shared-revenue plan called Dream Performance, where charter income is split, 35 percent to the company and 65 percent to the owner. But the owner also pays for all expenses, the big three being dockage, insurance and maintenance. In real numbers, historical data has shown that after commissions and expenses are paid, if a boat is chartered at least 22 weeks a year in the Performance program, the owner receives an average of 30 percent of all gross charter revenue. “So, if your boat generates $180,000 in revenue, you can expect to get around $54,000 in your pocket at the end,” says Aubé. With some of the management programs offered by Dream Yacht Charter (Performance or Performance Plus) you can factor in the potential tax advantages of buying a yacht as an investment, which can be up to 35 percent of the purchase price, depending on the purchaser’s tax bracket, making the figures even more compelling. “In many situations, up to 90 percent of your boat gets paid (after charter service), and it’s still worth a lot more than that,” says Aubé.

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How will my boat be maintained?

In the Dream Guarantee program, the company is responsible for and pays for everything. “If an engine blows, we will not call the owner; we’ll just replace the engine,” says Lemieux. After all, it’s in Dream Yacht’s best interest to keep the boat in good working order. In addition, a yearly maintenance period, including haulout, is built into the schedule. 

The company also handles all repairs and maintenance items for Performance program yachts, but it will consult with the owners first because, of course, the owners are paying the bills. 

In the works is a new platform that tracks maintenance, hours and parts for owners in both programs. “Owners will have access to this app in real time and know exactly what’s being done every day. It’s currently being tested in the Med in France and will be launched in America at the end of the year,” says Aubé.

Can I choose where it is based?

Yes—for owners of Performance yachts. “They can decide, ‘I want my boat in Annapolis during the summer, and I want it in BVI in winter.’ No problem. You’re covering the cost, you get the revenue, so you make the decision,” says Aubé. 

In the Guarantee program, the boat is promised a region rather than a specific base. “If you say, ‘I would like my boat in the BVI,’ we will put it there and try to keep it located there, but it might have to be moved to another base if demand fluctuates,” Aubé says. In this scenario, the yacht would stay in the northern Caribbean region of the USVI, BVI and Bahamas. “We are the one who decides if it needs to be moved, but we will always work towards having the boat where the owner wants it to be at first.”

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When can I use my boat?

In the Dream Guarantee program, an owner can sail up to 12 weeks a year, paying only a nominal cleaning/turnaround fee. Moreover, they can use these weeks on their own boat or on any similar model in Dream Yacht Charter’s 45-plus locations around the world. 

It’s phrased “up to” 12 weeks because it’s seasonally dependent. Owners can book in advance either two weeks in high season and two weeks in low season, or six weeks in low season, plus they can book six weeks in high or low season last minute, meaning 10 days out.

In the Dream Performance program, owners can do what they’d like on their own boat. “There’s basically no limit of usage. So, if the owner wants Christmas, that’s fine,” says Lemieux.

A charter management program isn’t for everyone. An owner who doesn’t want to share their boat, expects it to be exactly as they left it each time they return, or enjoys tinkering on it every weekend is not a good fit for charter. But for those who are easing into boat ownership—perhaps slowing down on work commitments before the quintessential “sailing off into the sunset”—charter service can be a smart path. Not only does it make sense economically, but it also gives owners time to get to know their boat and gain sailing experience with the safety net of having a professional team looking after their boat.

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Top 5 Charter Yachts for Profitable Ownership

Yacht charter management programs work well for a number of reasons, allowing owners to experience the joy of sailing the world and the cruising lifestyle without the hassle and expense of traditional ownership. Once you’ve started exploring various yacht brands and management programs, you may have wondered which boats perform best when placed in our charter fleet. The yacht’s brand reputation, number of cabins, size, and sailing performance all play a part in determining its “charter-ability” – and therefore – profitability ! In general, when comparing yachts of similar size and features, boats with more cabins are preferred by charter guests. And charterers love catamarans – offering spacious common areas inside and out, and large comfortable cabins.

We’ve compiled the data and crunched the numbers to come up with our top 5 best charter yachts. In the process, we considered the boat’s purchase price, average boat rental rate for one week, and the historical number of charter weeks annually, to come up with a revenue-per-year to purchase-price ratio.

Of course, there are so many other considerations when purchasing your dream yacht. But if you’re looking for a high-performing charter yacht with a history of solid returns on investment, read on to learn more about the catamarans that made our top 5 charter yacht list.

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#1 – Bali 4.6 & Bali 4.8 Revenue to Purchase Price Ratio: 35.2% Sometimes the numbers are just too close to make a judgment call, and such is the case with the Bali 4.6 and Bali 4.8 catamarans! Just step onboard, and begin to understand why these stellar boats are among the most sought-after, best charter yachts in the Dream Yacht Charter fleet.

We believe much of the reason comes down to the massive and supremely usable outdoor spaces in the aft cockpit, foredeck and flybridge. The Bali 4.6 offers 5-cabins, with 2 forepeak cabins, an ideal charter layout and the only boat in this size category to offer 5 guest cabins. The Bali 4.8 goes a step further, with an amazing 6-cabin/6-head version – very comfortably accommodating 12 charter guests.

With a 25-foot beam, these yachts offer charterers all the comforts of home, including excellent natural light and ventilation, loads of storage space, and a coveted full-size refrigerator/freezer. A salon door opens directly to the massive foredeck featuring sun beds, cushioned seating and dinette table. And of course, the famous Bail signature “garage-door” style opening to the aft cockpit area is always a guest favorite – allowing for a completely open-air salon.

In short, the Bali 4.6 and Bali 4.8 are the yachts in the Dream Yacht Charter fleet that sell the most charter weeks per year, consistently performing very well, and loved by our charter guests!

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#2 – Bali Catspace Revenue to Purchase Price Ratio: 35% Second in our lineup of best charter yachts, is the 4-cabin/4-head Bali Catspace. Once aboard, it’s easy to understand how the Catspace got her name. Her designers managed to give this 40-foot catamaran a surprisingly spacious and airy feel, with large comfortable front cabins, and an impressively-sized flybridge comparable to those found on larger yachts. A large foredeck cushioned sun bed and cockpit lounge area replaces the traditional catamaran trampoline – a unique feature in this size category – allowing for wonderfully usable space while chartering, perfect for lounging and socializing.

Of course, the Catspace also features Bali’s signature tilting “garage-style” door, opening up the large interior saloon to the aft cockpit for a seamless indoor/outdoor experience.

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#3 – Bali 4.2 Revenue to Purchase Price Ratio: 32.7% Like the other Bali catamarans in our lineup, comfort and spaciousness are immediately noticeable upon boarding the 4-cabin/4-head Bali 4.2. The large forward galley and full size refrigerator make it convenient to cook for a large charter group of friends and family. The airy saloon is made more like the cozy ambiance of home with the option for 2 facing sofas, and opens to the aft cockpit through the tilting door for a wide open indoor/outdoor flow. And everyone can appreciate the added convenience of the front doorway to the foredeck from the salon. The Bali 4.2, comes in at number 3 on our list, but ranks first for the best ratio of charter price per week when related to boat purchase price – for a winning yacht ownership opportunity.

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#4 – Lagoon 40 Revenue to Purchase Price Ratio: 31% Next up is the Lagoon 40. At the lowest purchase price in our best charter yacht lineup, this 40-foot 4-cabin/4-head catamaran earns a respectable charter demand and boat rental price making it a solid investment opportunity at a lower investment cost.

The Lagoon 40 is perfect for those charterers that appreciate the traditional trampoline foredeck and raised helm station. Inside you’ll find an efficient galley and salon well-lit from the panoramic windows. The cabins below – and in particular the aft cabins – are large in size compared to other yachts in the category. The Lagoon 40 is also known for excellent sailing performance, and remarkable stability due to a wide 22’ beam.

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#5 – Fountaine Pajot Elba 45 Revenue to Purchase Price Ratio: 29.7% Rounding our top 5 list is the 4-cabin/4-head Fountaine Pajot Elba 45. This impressive 4-cabin/4-bath 45-foot catamaran boasts clean lines, elegant interior finishes, and a light and bright salon with large panoramic windows and skylight. The massive flybridge is a charterer-favorite gathering spot, with large cushioned sun bed, and ample wraparound seating for comfort underway or just enjoying evening cocktails. Enjoy swimming and water sports with easy access to the water via the wide transom steps and swim platform. Sailors will appreciate that the Elba 45 ranks among the best in terms of sailing performance for its category.

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The future of charter yacht ownership That wraps up our current list of top performing best charter yachts. Of course, as new yachts are introduced and charterer preferences change, the list is ever-evolving! New models to watch for the upcoming 2022/2023 charter season include the Bali 4.4 , Lagoon 51 and the Fountaine Pajot Tanna 47 !

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