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Considering a MacGregor Venture 17

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• Start date Aug 1, 2006
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I looking to purchase my first sailboat. Recently I found listed a 1972 MacGregor Venture 17'. I was wondering if anyone here knows anything about this boat such as: quality, layout, ease to sail, availability of parts, and potential problem areas. I posted this question on a local powereboating bored and recieved a few replies to stay away from MacGregor and if I was looking at that size of boat to go find an oday daysailer. Is there any truth to that statement? Thank you very much for your help.  

Let's talk about this Brian, your question is a great one.I had many older boats and that's ok. I or we who lurk here on the forum can't know about the one used boat you're looking at. Older boats have problems of one kind or another. If you're looking for a project then look around and talk to boat owners who aren't selling something to you.If you're looking to sail, then look for something a little newer with good sails and equipment that you won't have to replace continually. Take some sailing lessons before you buy so you'll know what to look for. Go to a sailing marina and post a note that you will crew for experience.Something like a MacGregor 26S, D will be a great boat that you can get into for not a lot of money. A Catalina 22 would be a great used boat to start sailing with. Do look at many boats before you buy. I think you'll know it when you see it. Buy an older O'day and you'll spend lots of money. Same with an old Venture. If you're handy and love working on them rather than sail, go for it.I personally believe there are boat owners and sailors. Nothing against either but I'd rather be sailing than working on one.Keep asking those questions, someone here will know the answer.Steve P.  

Size of Boat Would Depend... on the size of water you plan on doing most of your sailing. If you are sailing small inland lakes the 17 would be fine. Especially if you trailer to all and have shallow boat ramp areas. I think one of the main considerations on this mac is the condition of the keel, cable and winch, make sure they are in good order or you will have lots to do from the get-go! Sincerely, Brian  

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Size Matters Price.It needs to be cheap, and pretty much ready to go.For reference, I gave $1200 for my 83 Mac 21 in pretty darn good basic condition. After rerigging, adding a motor, and general addition of necessary goodies - I am in $3600.The 17 would make a good daysailer for two or an overnighter for one. 21 is the minimum that I would now consider OK for two for a weekend.After the first year, we are now looking at 27+.Older MacGregor Sailboats are a completely different animal from the newer Powersailers.(Much better suited for sailing) Price and condition are the critical variables for a starter.  

Mac 17. Yeah what Steve Said....!I just saw a 1967 MacGregor 17" this weekend, I noticed that the hull is much deeper than my 21. My primary complain with the 21 is that there is insufficient headroom in the cabin (48 inches at best). Movement in the cabin is near impossible. The 17" seems to have more headroom - in fact it seems the 21 has the shallowest hull of the Venture family.Anyone else notice this - or is it just that someone elses boat always looks bigger??I've been able to sleep in the 21, but that's about it. It isn't really usable as shelter but makes for good storage. I sure wouldn't want to have guests overnight unless they were under three feet tall.I bought my 1972 Venture 21 for $1200, and have put about $1500 + about 1000 hours into it since. Although the boat was functional when I bought it - except for the keel cable which snapped about two minutes after I launched it the first time. Also, check the trailer thoroughly - I wish I had, mine was badly bent due to some past trauma which the PO didn't mention. I've since replaced the trailer - but it was another big expense.I love the Venture series, and wouldn't trade mine (actually I would - for a catalina 27 - but no one's offered me that yet ;-). They are fairly easy to handle, pretty simple mechanically and pretty forgiving.For me it was a fairly inexpensive way to get back into sailing after 20 years. I've enjoyed it very much, and look forward to 2 weeks at Detroit lake in August....-=gp=-.  

Chutz, you da man Chutz, I remember when you were looking at this boat. Remember the photo's. You've done a lot of work on this boat, it looks good. How does she sail for you?Great photo's and good advice.Respect others, accept yourself,Steve P.  

Hiya Steve Ultimately, I'm really glad I bought this boat. It's coming along nicely. Of course I could rattle off a list of a thousand things I still need to do. I'm hoping to finish the cabin this weekend - I've replaced all of the woodwork, most of the standing rigging.The pictures on my site are actually from last year, I've finished the painting work (decks, and hull stripe) stripped and varnished all of the woodwork and added some additional comfort features. I'm still on the lookout of a set of cushions (I've collected old couch cushions which are very comfy and disposable - it's amazing how many people leave couches on the curb).I really did have a great sail last weekend on the Columbia. The wind was very spirited and consistant, and I chickened out a long time before the boat did. She sails fairly well, I'm realizing that the main needs some attention, I'm having a very hard time when close hauled, I just can't get enough sail tension to be effective. So I'm taking the main to a sail loft to see if it can be tightened up for another season. If not - it's time to replace it. It would probably help if I would only remember the $*#$&#* battens BEFORE I raise the main!I can also see the clear advantage of a mid-boom traveller, so that's my next investment. I made a solid mahogony winch board, so I'm going to bolt that down and add the traveller to it.This weekend, I'm going to stay home and re-wire the boat. I had to tear out all of the old electrics because the PO didn't believe in fuses and had everything straight wired with old light switches for everything (yes actual AC type lightswitches like in your house). I need to finish wiring before I can finish interior trim and lighting fixtures. So weather and wife permitting I'll hopefully get this done this weekend..-=gp=-.  

Nice work Chutz, good hearing back from you. Keep going, you're almost there. Light switches, wow.Sounds like you have a great place to sail, experiences your children will never forget.Steve P.  

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I just picked up a 1972 Macgregor Venture 17' This is my 1st sailboat. I have a 1981 Searay 22' cuddy inboard V8. I have sailed a couple sailboats before but they were all rigged. I will be lurking around to see what I can learn. Thanks in advance to everyone that has contributed. Tons of knowledge here. Time to go disconnect the trailer and clean the snow off Chuck  

Congrats on getting your boat. Where will your sailing grounds be? Welcome to Sailnet.  

Chain of Lakes, far NW suburbs of chicago once I learn a little ...... lake michigan, I hope a couple years  

One of the most fun boats I ever owned. Moved up to the 23' and spent many nights and weekends on her. Wet at times, tough for having the girls aboard, but a lot of fun none the less. Great way to learn to sail, just wait until you get the keel wire singing!!! enjoy  

Thanks for the encouragement. I have a few questions, anyone know the answers? I am wondering what size motor the Venture 17' can handle. I have a mercury 9.9 long shaft and 2, johnson 20 hp reg shaft hanging in my attic (hoping the 9.9 is just right). The cabin in this 17' is as big as in my 1981 srv 225 (22.5' Cuddy) not as much head room. Can I put some pop up vents in the cabin to get some ventilation? I can see it getting hot in there. Thanks in advance for any info  

VentureThis17 said: Thanks for the encouragement. I have a few questions, anyone know the answers? I am wondering what size motor the Venture 17' can handle. I have a mercury 9.9 long shaft and 2, johnson 20 hp reg shaft hanging in my attic (hoping the 9.9 is just right). The cabin in this 17' is as big as in my 1981 srv 225 (22.5' Cuddy) not as much head room. Can I put some pop up vents in the cabin to get some ventilation? I can see it getting hot in there. Thanks in advance for any info Click to expand...

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Hull ID Codes & Macgregor Sail Stats

Post by Frank C » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:48 am

How to Read the Hull ID Number (HIN) These two tables will help you determine the model and year of your MacGregor or Venture . There was no Federal requirement for Hull Identification Numbers (HIN) prior to 1973. All Ventures and MacGregors built during and after 1973 will have a HIN placed on the upper Starboard side of the transom. The format after 1980 (per Macgregor)... mmm h ssss dd yy ... Where: mmm = Manufacturer US Identification Code h = Model description (see Production Years - HIN Designation.) ssss = Hull Serial Number dd = Date of Manufacture - .............. Where A to L = Month starting with January .............. and then the last digit of the year. yy = Model Year Example: mmmhssssddyy - Example: MACX0854A898 MAC X0854 A8 98 MAC, 26X, Serial number 0854, manufactured in Jan, 1998, Model Year 1998 EDIT: Model year changes on July 1 each year (i.e. G899). Reference: U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary Boating Skills & Seamanship, 11th Edition, pages 2-2 and 2-3 and MacGregor Yacht Corp.

Prior to 1980 (for Macgregor) the 9th digit was a M followed by a the year and month. NOTE CAREFULLY: the dating codes are completely different. mmmsssssmddy mmm = Manufacturer US Identification Code sssss = Hull Serial Number m = Indicates year format dd = Year of production y = Month of production with A = August, B = September, etc. ... .....Aug = A.....Sep = B.....Oct = C.....Nov = D .....Dec = E.....Jan = F......Feb = G....Mar = H .....Apr = I......May = J.....Jun = K......Jul = L Example: mmmsssssmddy - Example: MAC00432M72E MAC 00432 M72 E MAC, boat number 00432, manufactured in 1972, December

Post by Red Coat » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:06 pm

Post by Frank C » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:13 am

Red Coat wrote: . . . "CAREFUL: Boats built prior to 1980 use a completely different code, shown on Herman's webpage" This comment is incorrect . As a boat theft specialist I lecture on this topic regulary. The basic design of the HIN has been consistent (3 character manufacturer ID, 5 character production number, 4 character date of manufacture). The difference has allways been in the last four characters in the HIN which are used to designate when the boat was built and its model year.

Post by Red Coat » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:40 am

Post by Frank C » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:57 am

Red Coat wrote: The confusion is understandable because prior to the 1984 . . . The model year is as follows: Model Format (1972-1983) "MAC*****M81A" characters 10 & 11 = 1981 Straight Year (1972 to 1983) "MAC*****0181" last two characters = 1981 Current Format (post 1984) "MAC*****A484" last two characters = 1984

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1972 macgregor 24.

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Macgregor 25

Macgregor 25 is a 25 ′ 0 ″ / 7.6 m monohull sailboat designed by Roger MacGregor and built by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1973 and 1987.

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Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
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• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

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This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

The first version was called the VENTURE 25. With relatively few changes, it became the MACGREGOR 25 (around 1980). With more than 7000 boats sold, it’s one of the most popular models from this builder.

Masthead Rig: I: 28.3’ J: 9.75’ P: 24.5’ E: 10.5’

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